tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12009297.post7067627225586725662..comments2023-11-02T02:58:53.594-07:00Comments on From the Pew: John MacArthur on Public CriticismSteve Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10297044571819912511noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12009297.post-62700975734034393832011-10-06T19:45:07.588-07:002011-10-06T19:45:07.588-07:00And false teachers have their own place in the lak...And false teachers have their own place in the lake of fire!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12009297.post-17818320845556298572011-10-06T19:42:47.231-07:002011-10-06T19:42:47.231-07:00It is better to be criticize by preaching the trut...It is better to be criticize by preaching the truth,in an expository way, than a shallow none sense,unbiblical messages full of human wisdom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12009297.post-85491486910823417542011-10-06T19:26:12.323-07:002011-10-06T19:26:12.323-07:00If you makes some comment,and you've never gon...If you makes some comment,and you've never gone to deep enough in your studies, or maybe ,you've just only confined to your own twisted theology, I love someone who is fully committed for the cause Of christ and that change my life into a fruitful one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12009297.post-46854212145250911932011-02-14T18:43:20.062-08:002011-02-14T18:43:20.062-08:00I found one right away. "Well Intentioned Dra...I found one right away. "Well Intentioned Dragons" Ministering to Problem People in the Church by Marshall Shelley. He is high up in Leadership Journal and Christianity Today. <br /><br />My copy is all marked up. It's loaded with deprecating comments about the lay folk and highly pedestalizing of the clergy - high calling vs low calling - intelligent shepherd vs stupid carnal sheep. <br /><br />I subscribed to Leadership Journal for many years. The comics were great but the writing was so pyramid power oriented leadership, even when they bring up servant leadership. It's all so deeply imbedded in the clergy mindset and they have so many twisted texts to justify it all.Tim Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099983903222184138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12009297.post-21283715075755951592011-02-13T23:13:54.787-08:002011-02-13T23:13:54.787-08:00Tim, I'd say that was a gross misinterpretatio...Tim, I'd say that was a gross misinterpretation of that passage. I'd be interested in checking out those books on troublemakers. Do you remember the titles and authors?Steve Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10297044571819912511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12009297.post-73205637033222669182011-02-13T21:18:55.553-08:002011-02-13T21:18:55.553-08:00It's all part of the system. Here is the scrip...It's all part of the system. Here is the scripture verse that was used on me and my wife as we challenged the saints to follow God's word, not men's traditions.<br />2 Thes. 3:6-11. What "disorderly" conduct is Paul specifically speaking of here? Is "disorderly" a contextual translation of the term to begin with? Paul is talking specifically about lazy slackers who don't want to work a job or actually serve in the example of Paul. It has nothing to do with seeking to bring correction to a fellow believer who may call himself "your pastor". <br /><br />When this was quoted to us by the Admin Pastor and Chair of the board I looked it up and almost fainted. Here was another scripture where Paul teaches believers to "follow his example" in refusing the right to be paid and not being lazy but meet your own needs as you minister. This is an apostolic example that institutionalized staff completely reject.<br /><br />I have read several books written by pastors on how to handle "troublemakers". They all have the same MO and proof texts. Try to make it look like you care about them personally and at the same time help them leave your church. It's all very sad.Tim Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099983903222184138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12009297.post-53349303795498141552011-02-13T20:15:05.834-08:002011-02-13T20:15:05.834-08:00Tim,
While I can't give first-hand testimony ...Tim,<br /><br />While I can't give first-hand testimony to what you're "guessing," I have read and heard some things by him that would make me wonder. Also, I DO have first hand experience with this from some of his adherents, and it can be brutal.Steve Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10297044571819912511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12009297.post-32548680519145010492011-02-13T13:12:33.620-08:002011-02-13T13:12:33.620-08:00I'm guessing John has some interesting excepti...I'm guessing John has some interesting exceptions to this thinking in his church. If a brother there is a good Berean who examines what he is told with the scriptures to see if it is true (Acts 17:11) finds an error, offers his correction to John, John and the church board reject his correction, this brother will now need to be quiet about his correction or he must leave the church or be found "divisive" should he continue to make public his corrections. He will no longer be valued as a brother - he will be seen as a trouble maker. John and his board can tag any correction giver as divisive should they be too prideful or blind to receive the correction. "Iron sharpening iron" has tight limits in the institutionalized faith setting. When there is a pyramid of power in a church, many scriptures become nullified to protect the power pyramid.Tim Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099983903222184138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12009297.post-77912634006228622011-02-11T13:17:31.357-08:002011-02-11T13:17:31.357-08:00*ready*readyBobby Growhttp://tftorrance.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12009297.post-38961750078370769532011-02-11T13:16:51.991-08:002011-02-11T13:16:51.991-08:00Nice, I think that every time I comment over at th...Nice, I think that every time I comment over at the Pyromaniacs I'll have this quote from Mac "copied", read to "paste" at moments notice ;-).Bobby Growhttp://tftorrance.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com